Indonesian "Hobbit Humans" a separate species
Indonesian "Hobbit Humans" a separate species
Scientists have found more evidence that the Indonesian "Hobbit" skeletons belong to a new species of human - and not modern pygmies. The one metre (3ft) tall, 30kg (65lbs) humans roamed the Indonesian island of Flores, perhaps up to 8,000 years ago.
Since the discovery, researchers have argued vehemently as to the identity of these diminutive people. Two papers in the journal Nature now support the idea they were an entirely new species of human.
The team, which discovered the tiny remains in Liang Bua cave on Flores, contends that the population belongs to the species Homo floresiensis - separate from our own grouping Homo sapiens . They argue that the "Hobbits" are descended from a prehistoric species of human - perhaps Homo erectus - which reached island South-East Asia more than a million years ago. Over many years, their bodies most likely evolved to be smaller in size, through a natural selection process called island dwarfing, claim the discoverers, and many other scientists.
However, some researchers argued that this could not account for the Hobbit's chimp-sized brain of almost 400 cubic cm - a third the size of the modern human brain. This was a puzzle, they said, because the individuals seem to have crafted complex stone tools. They said the Hobbits were probably part of a group of modern humans with abnormally small brains.
One team led by William Jungers from Stony Brook University in the US analysed remains of the Hobbit foot. They found that, in some ways, it is incredibly human. The big toe is aligned with the others and the joints make it possible to extend the toes as the body's full weight falls on the foot, attributes not found in great apes. But in other respects, it is incredibly primitive. It is far longer than its modern human equivalent, and equipped with a very small big toe, long, curved lateral toes, and a weight-bearing structure that resembles that of a chimpanzee. So unless the Flores Hobbits became more primitive over time - a rather unlikely scenario - they must have branched off the human line at an even earlier date.
In another study, Eleanor Weston and Adrian Lister of London's Natural History Museum looked at fossils of several species of ancient hippos. They then compared those found on the island of Madagascar with the mainland ancestors from which they evolved. "It could be that H. floresiensis' skull is that of a Homo erectus that has become dwarfed from living on an island, rather than being an abnormal individual or separately-evolved species, as has been suggested," said Dr Weston, a palaeontologist at the museum. "Looking at pygmy hippos in Madagascar, which possess exceptionally small brains for their size, suggests that the same could be true for H. floresiensis , and that (it could be) the result of being isolated on the island."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/8036396.stm
A video of the scientists discussing the find:
And a link to another story discussing the find:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6311619.stm
Sessun
Emily and Fin
27 Comments
Post a CommentGRRRR! The video doesn't work....I will keep trying. There is a link to the video here, too:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/science/nature/8036396.stm
Sorry for posting so much recently, I have been catching up on all my science and archaeology reading! LOL!
I think this find, and the discussion around it, is particularly interesting - hope you all do, too!!
this is very interesting Martini. thanks for sharing!
Thank you Martini
Thanks for sharing Martini!!!!
This is cool!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
I loved this when they were discovered. I hate when scientist and "experts" make claims before the research is done. With migrations and isolation why is it so far fetched that we could have a separate branch of "humans."
***************
"Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail Better." - Samuel Beckett
It is more then likely that there were subspecies of humans, it is inconceivable that humans evolved over the million+ years that we evolved in a straight line. Time and distance precludes such a likelihood. What will tell us more will be DNA analyses. I look forward to reading that study.
Hmmmm, very curious about that study!
I find this subject fascinating. I saw a documentary on the so called Hobbit the other day and I was amazed at the theories presented.
SJP - where did you see the documentary? I would love to see it!!!
I am almost positive that it was on the History International channel. I am always watching that channel
let me look it up, I might find a link or something.
I didn't find a link to the show that I watched, only one to National Geographic, but this article is still a really good read, with some great pictures.
Thanks so much for the link, SJP - the photos are awesome (but what else do we expect from NatGeo??
) I will keep a lookout for the documentary you mentioned, if I find it I will post a link!
If I catch it again I will take note to give you the exact info. Now I'm thinking that I might have seen it on PBS. They have awesome documentaries btw, but they're always on late at night.
Hey, I found one called The Mystery of the Human Hobbit which was done by the BBC. This is a link to watch it online, but I can't get the video to work...
Can anyone else??
http://www.documentary.bz/videos.php?id=118
It wont work for me either martini.
Talk to team ML. Someone named Arthur got mine going.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
I cannot make it play either.
It appears the video source has been taken down....
Boo!
I second that BOO! And add a HISS!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8185535104218616545
***************
"I will marshal all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide." - In the Loop
Awww, Sam!!!
That's it!!!!
Post A Comment
To post comments, please log in or register.